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Kimberlita



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Difficult dance steps Reply with quote

Are there any particular dance steps that you have trouble with?

Reverse turn?
Cross body lead with a turn?
Coca-cola?
Lasso?

Let us know what your stumbling blocks are and hopefully one of the instructors or helpers will be able to share our experiences and give you some tips.
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Salsasian



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Shy? Reply with quote

Kimberlita,

Maybe people are too shy to respond with difficult moves. Two things I find difficult to master for a beginner are the cross-body lead (CBL) and the coca-cola. For the CBL there are just so many things for the leader to remember it is difficult to know what to focus on at first. After getting the basic foot work, the key things I find leaders need help with include:

Stepping in-place on the 3
- many leaders will step back instead of stepping in place often bringing the follower with them instead of allowing the follower to follow a straight path across
- instead of stepping, another common mistake is not stepping at all. opening up and not marking the beat is often what causes the lead to lose count and not step/push on the 5

Leading with the left hand
- instead of leading the follower forward on the 5 with a solid frame through pushing with the right hand on the shoulder-blade, a common problem is leading with the left by pulling
- pulling with the right, often leads to a collapse of the frame as the lady steps away and connection is lost
- often this is also why the follower travels in the circle instead of a line as the lead will lead with the left in a circle

Any other common CBL mistakes or tips?
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Kimberlita



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, the CBL with a turn is the most difficult move a beginner learns in Level 1.

My biggest tip for the women is to remember that on the 1, 2, 3 you are always doing a half basic starting with your right foot going back. It's on the 5, 6, 7 that a change can occur. Whether it's a right turn, a reverse turn, a CBL, a CBL with a turn, the 1, 2, 3 is ALWAYS a half basic with the right foot going behind you.

Women, if you can just remember to break back on the 1 with your right foot, then (while keeping time) no matter how complicated a move a guy tries to lead, you will almost always get it.
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timbero1



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: cross body leads Reply with quote

In Cuba, you can do the cross body leads this way or you can do a cross body lead in a guapea. So in guapea, after the lady crosses, the man steps back with LEFT and steps forward with his RIGHT. A kind of reverse mambo step and the couple push into each other. How is that for screwing up beginners?

A lot of people who do casino rueda in North America do the guapea wrong though. When do you mambo or reverse mambo steps, you have to do the quick. quick slow or 1,2,3. When North American salsa dancers do the guapea, they do the left back (1,2,3, or quick, quick, slow or left, right,left while changing weight) PERFECTLY, but they DONT do it with the same with the right step that goes forward into your partner. They do the step in just ONE instead of quick, quick, slow (1,2,3) into your partner while pushing in. When you step into your partner for guapea, you have to change weight and do 1,2,3 (quick, quick, slow).

Also, North Americans when they push in during the guapea, they step to the SIDE, believing that they will bang into their partner. No, you must push INTO your partner.
If there is no space, you have obviously make your steps smaller, but you must change weight still (right, left, right) while you pushing in. It is not just one clunky one, but rather 1,2,3 always. Don't worry about pushing in. It is necessary. It is all about ACTION and REACTION. If you push in harder, the reaction of the push a greater displacement in you mambo steps, which causes you to move around. Think of yourself as an elastic band, push and pull. When you push on a wall, the reaction of the push causes you to go back (not usually exactly to your original place, maybe a few centimeters to the side or back). When you do guapea, you should be ALWAYS moving aroung the dance floor. Try not to stay on or return to exactly the spot on the dance floor, always move even during the basic step.
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analytix



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Difficulty in leading Reply with quote

When my partner is making a complicated turn and taking too much time in completing her move sometimes I just stand still, do nothing and wait for her to finish her turn before I can lead her into the next turn. I tried to do basic at this time but wasn’t always successful – either I felt out of sync or simply lost in the process of leading her. Does any of you have any advice on how to improve this situation? Thanks
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blackout1999



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Keep on moving Reply with quote

What's the deal, salsa people? The best advice I can give is to keep on moving. For myself, I usually would start a dance with some simple moves first and if she's feeling it, then I start to do some turn patterns. It's also good to watch people when you're in between dances. if you or your partner makes a mistake, just keep going and try again. Holla back at ya boy!
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latinsalsa



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:16 pm    Post subject: casino rueda Reply with quote

Hey timbero1 and all those who want to try to learn casino rueda.

There are very few casino rueda classes in city right now, My friend is trying to start up a casino rueda practice. He just got back from Cuba. He said he learned some of the moves in the youtube video I posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nknjYC6bB3E

I promised to spread the word. It is just a practice, no instructors, and the participants just teach each other calls that they know. So, no money. Just look for Toronto Casino Rueda Practice on Facebook.

He said there are no members yet. You got a start somewhere. But if you come to the Toronto Salsa Practice next Saturday, April 5 at Trinity/ St. Paul church, he will be there. He said if you see him, just go up to him with a partner and let the rueda begin.
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Valentin



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: Difficulty in leading Reply with quote

analytix wrote:
When my partner is making a complicated turn and taking too much time in completing her move sometimes I just stand still, do nothing and wait for her to finish her turn before I can lead her into the next turn. I tried to do basic at this time but wasn’t always successful – either I felt out of sync or simply lost in the process of leading her.


Blackout1999 is right, keep on moving, don't stand still. For most of the moves (that you learn at TDS) you have to step on each and every beat of the dance (123567). Every move has its specific footwork which is meant to help you connect it to a next move and also to increase or decrease the tension between you and your partner.

If you feel that the footwork is too complicated in a particular move and you would prefer to remain on the spot, at least step on the spot - this way you can't lose the rhythm and can be prepared to step in any direction you need for the next move, on the next beat 1.

Use this only for "emergencies" (let's say in case you don't remember your footwork in a particular move), don't make it a habit, because that would be a very bad habit.
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Kimberlita



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Valentin and Blackout999.
KEEP MOVING.

Step on the spot and keep time and watch your partner. If she appears out of sync, make an obvious step forward on the 1 to get her back, and do a few basics with her until she's back on track.
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